John, your answer is great is you are limited to classical classroom instruction with discipline. But your answer to my first question provides three points that support my assertion of the best age at which to start CT. I would like to share thoughts with you and John Rosemond, Parent Czar, on a conference call, if you set it up.
Recalling a Jimmy Carter quote essentially: Our prisons would be better if we had higher quality prisoners. At what age can children be productively taught critically thinking? Do you know of any papers that speak to that subject?
Jim: Good question. The essence of Critical Thinking is to ask questions (so that we have a better understanding of an issue at hand). Children instinctively ask questions — but the school system stifles that instinct. See this short video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGG5AHbAes>. So the answer to your question is: 1st Grade.
Teaching children critical thinking will prevent them from becoming under the influence of those who would turn them into slaves. Today, people have become slaves to a mercenary system, which focuses entirely on monetary achievements. Every person is unique and should aim to live up to his highest potential. Everyone has something to offer, which would contribute to the world. Success is really pleasing oneself...not one's parents or anyone else.
It may sound brutal (but isn't), but I believe every class should have video and sound recording, with erasures every two months. Principals should know how well their teachers are handling issues. Parents should have no access, but schools should be able to present portions of video to parents so that parents will know whenever there are disruptive problems attributable to their darlings. ... As an instructor in a USN school, I could count on there being an unannounced reviewer of my teaching performance every tenth class or so, followed by a subsequent critique and report. A good teacher welcomes this. - Bill Lynch
Mike: Indeed the curriculum must be superior. In most States the curriculum is primarily determined by State subject standards (e.g. Science). That's why the Left has invested so heavily in making sure that inferior standards (like the NGSS) are adopted by States (49). Then the local school Science curricula is almost certainly doomed to failure. On the other hand, if a State adopts Science standards that specifically include properly teaching Critical Thinking, the opposite is likely to take place.
be careful, critical thinking cannot have a recipe, it can only be incremental, a recipe is by definition the arrest of critical thinking, school should be by definition the place where critical thinking is practiced otherwise it can only indoctrinate, critical thinking should not side with the left or the right or even with one religion or another.
what I see is that the left has a filter to channel critical thinking, the right believes that critical thinking must be channeled differently from the left.
Franco: TY for your comment. I think you have a misunderstanding about Critical Thinking, as (by definition) it can not be filtered. Please carefuly study my more detailed writeup expaining what Critical Thinking actually is <https://c19science.info/Education/What_Is_Critical_Thinking.pdf>.
Thanks, the text he sent me defines everything better, I would like to deepen all this but I don't want to bore with too many observations.
In my opinion, critical thinking retains background characters that can be approximate, but cannot be defined. I understand the urgent need to reverse a catastrophic trend at least from the school.
In a nutshell, irrationality is not only the one indicated in its text, it is not only to give credit to what we would like to believe, or satisfy those mass trends (perhaps even faiths) that are easily manipulated, these things get closer for me more to pathologies that with irrationality, (even if these are associated with little rationality).
The pathologies and weaknesses of sometimes chronic mass, resemble something that in the end (we like) have.
Instead, irrationality in my opinion (I also say it from personal experience) has much wider characteristics, so large as to be the embryo of many things including critical and scientific thinking, the true source of the primordial doubt that permeates everything.
In my opinion, there is no need to bother Popper for the necessary falsifiability of scientific thought, perhaps he has even done damage, the potential of doubt in scientific thought wax has already been an integral part of it for a long time.
However, thank you for the answer and the text he sent me
The Guilford, CT schools embrace “portrait of. Graduate,” one goal of which is critical thinking.” But like the other goals, PG is just a collection of Ill-defined, amorphous goals that shortchange academic excellence and the Core Knowledge that is essential to critical thinking. Grade inflation fools parents and hides the failure to teach core subject content, a failure exposed by lower Niche scores. 25% of students in K-12 are not proficient in reading and 36% are not proficient in math. This in an upper middle class community. For this, we pay teachers an average of $95,000 per year and class sizes are 12:1 vs National average of 17:1.
Kendall: TY for that info. Yes Critical Thinking is one of the half-dozen goals spelled out in the Portrait of a Graduate. NC, as a state, supposedly does the same thing! However, in NC there is not a single class (esp in Science) where this skill is formally TAUGHT. Such goals are often pablum meant to placate parents, legislators, etc. but no one actually investigates whether they are being properly accomplished. As a test, find out in Guilford exactly how and when Critical Thinking is taught. I seriously doubt that it is.
John, your answer is great is you are limited to classical classroom instruction with discipline. But your answer to my first question provides three points that support my assertion of the best age at which to start CT. I would like to share thoughts with you and John Rosemond, Parent Czar, on a conference call, if you set it up.
TY for your thinking!
Recalling a Jimmy Carter quote essentially: Our prisons would be better if we had higher quality prisoners. At what age can children be productively taught critically thinking? Do you know of any papers that speak to that subject?
Jim: Good question. The essence of Critical Thinking is to ask questions (so that we have a better understanding of an issue at hand). Children instinctively ask questions — but the school system stifles that instinct. See this short video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGG5AHbAes>. So the answer to your question is: 1st Grade.
Teaching children critical thinking will prevent them from becoming under the influence of those who would turn them into slaves. Today, people have become slaves to a mercenary system, which focuses entirely on monetary achievements. Every person is unique and should aim to live up to his highest potential. Everyone has something to offer, which would contribute to the world. Success is really pleasing oneself...not one's parents or anyone else.
Barbara: Yes to your first sentence: that's the right idea.
It may sound brutal (but isn't), but I believe every class should have video and sound recording, with erasures every two months. Principals should know how well their teachers are handling issues. Parents should have no access, but schools should be able to present portions of video to parents so that parents will know whenever there are disruptive problems attributable to their darlings. ... As an instructor in a USN school, I could count on there being an unannounced reviewer of my teaching performance every tenth class or so, followed by a subsequent critique and report. A good teacher welcomes this. - Bill Lynch
As a parent I would wholly support this!
Bill: Thank you for your support
You are doing important work, John.
I agree with everything you write below.
Educating our children properly is the single most important thing we must do in this war.
Dr. Frost: Thank you for your support.
That’s exactly what I have been saying: “pablum for parents.”
One thing missing from the list for "good" schools. This begs the question of the meaning of "good".
CURRICULUM
No matter how "good" a school is otherwise, if the curriculum is nonsense (as ours are today) then nothing else matters.
Values must precede virtues.
MD
Mike: Indeed the curriculum must be superior. In most States the curriculum is primarily determined by State subject standards (e.g. Science). That's why the Left has invested so heavily in making sure that inferior standards (like the NGSS) are adopted by States (49). Then the local school Science curricula is almost certainly doomed to failure. On the other hand, if a State adopts Science standards that specifically include properly teaching Critical Thinking, the opposite is likely to take place.
be careful, critical thinking cannot have a recipe, it can only be incremental, a recipe is by definition the arrest of critical thinking, school should be by definition the place where critical thinking is practiced otherwise it can only indoctrinate, critical thinking should not side with the left or the right or even with one religion or another.
what I see is that the left has a filter to channel critical thinking, the right believes that critical thinking must be channeled differently from the left.
Franco: TY for your comment. I think you have a misunderstanding about Critical Thinking, as (by definition) it can not be filtered. Please carefuly study my more detailed writeup expaining what Critical Thinking actually is <https://c19science.info/Education/What_Is_Critical_Thinking.pdf>.
Thanks, the text he sent me defines everything better, I would like to deepen all this but I don't want to bore with too many observations.
In my opinion, critical thinking retains background characters that can be approximate, but cannot be defined. I understand the urgent need to reverse a catastrophic trend at least from the school.
In a nutshell, irrationality is not only the one indicated in its text, it is not only to give credit to what we would like to believe, or satisfy those mass trends (perhaps even faiths) that are easily manipulated, these things get closer for me more to pathologies that with irrationality, (even if these are associated with little rationality).
The pathologies and weaknesses of sometimes chronic mass, resemble something that in the end (we like) have.
Instead, irrationality in my opinion (I also say it from personal experience) has much wider characteristics, so large as to be the embryo of many things including critical and scientific thinking, the true source of the primordial doubt that permeates everything.
In my opinion, there is no need to bother Popper for the necessary falsifiability of scientific thought, perhaps he has even done damage, the potential of doubt in scientific thought wax has already been an integral part of it for a long time.
However, thank you for the answer and the text he sent me
a greeting
Frank
The Guilford, CT schools embrace “portrait of. Graduate,” one goal of which is critical thinking.” But like the other goals, PG is just a collection of Ill-defined, amorphous goals that shortchange academic excellence and the Core Knowledge that is essential to critical thinking. Grade inflation fools parents and hides the failure to teach core subject content, a failure exposed by lower Niche scores. 25% of students in K-12 are not proficient in reading and 36% are not proficient in math. This in an upper middle class community. For this, we pay teachers an average of $95,000 per year and class sizes are 12:1 vs National average of 17:1.
Kendall: TY for that info. Yes Critical Thinking is one of the half-dozen goals spelled out in the Portrait of a Graduate. NC, as a state, supposedly does the same thing! However, in NC there is not a single class (esp in Science) where this skill is formally TAUGHT. Such goals are often pablum meant to placate parents, legislators, etc. but no one actually investigates whether they are being properly accomplished. As a test, find out in Guilford exactly how and when Critical Thinking is taught. I seriously doubt that it is.