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JulieW's avatar

I feel for AMY CB who is reportedly paying exorbitantly for food tasters

Laura Downing's avatar

The SAVE (Safeguard American Voter Eligibility) America Act has three primary components: Documentary proof of citizenship is required to register to vote, Voter ID is required for federal elections, and limited mail-in ballots allowed. That’s it. Not like the 2,000-page Obamacare bill that everyone had to read to know what was in it. Read that one sometime. You cannot imagine the things that are in it.

The SAVE America Act would make it a law that citizens are the only ones who can vote in American elections and ID is required to prove you are eligible to vote in federal elections. Explain to me why this cannot pass our Senate. The House of Representatives has passed it for the last three years. The Senate, our “deliberative body”, cannot seem to agree that this simple protection of our elections is necessary. The House of Representatives has to run to get reelected every two years, but the Senate only has to run every six. Presumably this makes Senators more focused on deliberation of important issues. Where has the so-called deliberation landed the Senate on the SAVE America Act? They voted against it. I get why the Democrats consistently vote against such (or any) election protections. What I do not get is why there is a single “Republican” anywhere in the United States that thinks they should not vote for this.

This Bill did not pass the Senate even before the addition of the mail-in ballot restriction. That the original Bill could not pass made no sense at all. Now, at least the resistance can be attributed to the mail-in ballot provision. As a leading Democrat recently said, they have to have mail-in ballots or Democrats will never again have a majority in Congress. Translation: without mail-in ballots, Democrats cannot win elections.

The average American cannot fathom anyone thinking non-citizens should be allowed to register to vote. The average American cannot fathom that a voter would not be required to prove their identity in order to vote. The average American cannot fathom that anyone would mail out, fill out, and count mail-in ballots that are not valid. The average American has been assuming things that are false.

Since our Constitution is only effective in ruling a moral people, previous leaders who might have passed such a law did not because they assumed it was unnecessary. Today’s officials are not leading a moral people and have determined that non-citizens should be able to register to vote, ID to vote in federal elections is not necessary, and mail-in ballots (clearly demonstrated to be rife with fraud) should be allowed across the country.

This issue alone tells us where we are as a country. If an obviously protect-America bill like the SAVE America Act cannot be passed by Congress, there is no way for our country to navigate the more complex issues facing us.

Van Snyder's avatar

Senator Elissa Slotkin (D-MI) opposes the SAVE act. She let the cat out of the bag about why Democrats oppose it. She said "if we pass the SAVE act Democrats will never again have a majority in Congress." That is "We can't win if we don't cheat."

Nadia Nichols's avatar

A democrat politician recently summed the situation up perfectly when she said to a listening crowd, "If the SAVE act passes, Democrats will never win another election." In other words, they win by cheating.

Didn't Trump come up with a new mail-in paper ballot that's watermarked and can't be tampered with or run through a copy machine, or did I dream that? States should be stopped from automatically mailing ballots out to all residents. That's blatant cheating right there. Absentee ballots should be requested by the voter. Any that are received in the mail after the polls closed should be discarded. I've contacted my senators multiple times about this issue. King does NOT support the SAVE act, Collins does.

Nadia Nichols's avatar

This is King's reply:

The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act, the SAVE America Act, and the Make Elections Great Again (MEGA) Act will not prevent voter fraud, secure our elections, or protect democratic principles. I do not plan to support these bills or similar proposals if they come before the Senate as stand-alone legislation or in an appropriations package containing this harmful language.

As I see it, we should make voter registration and voting as easy as possible; these bills do the opposite. I support consistent voter registration standards, no-excuse absentee voting, expanded early voting opportunities, and designating Election Day as a federal holiday and remain disappointed that the Senate’s efforts to pass stricter voting rights protections failed in the 117th and 118th Congresses. I have consistently advocated for full funding of the Election Assistance Commission and the Federal Elections Commission, two entities tasked with maintaining the integrity of our elections.

Champions of the SAVE America Act and similar legislation argue that it will curb voter fraud and non-citizen voting. However, non-citizen voting is exceedingly rare and has been illegal for over a century and can lead to fines, imprisonment, and deportation. Numerous studies, including one commissioned by President Trump’s first administration, have all reached the same conclusion: voter fraud is not a problem. In fact, most allegations are baseless and only reveal isolated irregularities that could not sway an election outcome. In other words, the real fraud here is the assertion that fraud sufficient enough to sway an election even exists.

The SAVE America Act would require American citizens to show documents like a passport or a birth certificate that prove citizenship to register to vote; other forms of identification, including the REAL ID, would not meet the qualifications. It would also require these same documents to be shown when voting and anytime someone needs to update their voter registration—when they move and update their address, change their name, or even when someone decides to change their party affiliation. Well over 21 million Americans lack access to the necessary documents, and more than half of Americans lack a passport. It would also require the documentation to correspond with a government-issued photo ID, which would make it very difficult for people who have moved recently or changed their name, such as millions of married people, to vote. Not to mention discouraging public -spirited citizens from volunteering to serve at the polls.

These anti-voting rights bills also include troubling proposals that would place a massive burden on state and local election officials by imposing unnecessary and complicated legal risks. For example, these proposals would add criminal penalties for any election official who registers an applicant who fails to provide documentary proof of citizenship. Those penalties apply even if an individual is a U.S. citizen and the election official made a clerical error. This creates an environment of fear and hyper-fixation that isn’t fail-safe; instead of achieving the stated goal of preventing voter fraud, I worry that many citizens will be denied voter registration and, therefore, their right to vote.

These proposals also require unrealistic voter list audits and all mail-in ballots to be received by the close of polls; these efforts would also ban ranked-choice voting and no-excuse vote by mail. Maine has long led the way for voting rights and democratic reforms, all of which would be walked back if these proposals become law.

There is no way around it; these bills would disenfranchise millions of Americans and disrupt the way many of us register to vote and vote in elections. America’s experiment in self-government has endured unforeseen and scarcely imaginable trials throughout its existence, pushing through expected and unexpected challenges to create a stable democratic system that bucks the historical norms of kings, pharaohs, and czars. The continued success of our unique experiment in self-government relies on each successive generation understanding our shared past, national values, and the framers’ careful—though imperfect—work.

If we truly want a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, we must make sure the people have the tools and perspective needed to play their part. The vote is the most powerful tool we have in a democracy. While it may feel that every day is a new assault on our democracy and our institutions, never in American history have we had an administration so derelict in its duties to uphold our democracy. As I see it, the right to vote is the ultimate American liberty, a powerful representation of speech held by every citizen. To quote President Lyndon B. Johnson, “The vote is the most powerful instrument ever devised by human beings for breaking down injustice and destroying the terrible walls which imprison people because they are different from others.”

Thank you for contacting me about this issue, and please do not hesitate to reach out if I can be of assistance in the future.

Tom Doniphon's avatar

So in conclusion;

1. The SAVE Act will require voter ID and strengthen voter requirements.

2. Voter list audits would ensure valid voter registrations.

3. "The vote is the most powerful tool we have in a democracy"...and we should not make it difficult to let anyone vote or provide avenues for cheating....duh!

Nadia Nichols's avatar

Exactly.

Executive summary of the bill:

The SAVE (Safeguard American Voter Eligibility) Act would tighten both registration and in‑person voting requirements by demanding documentary proof of U.S. citizenship at registration and a government‑issued photo ID with an expiration date at the ballot box; acceptable documents explicitly include passports, certain REAL ID‑compliant state IDs that indicate citizenship, state driver’s licenses/state ID cards with photos and expiration dates, military IDs and tribal IDs meeting photo/expiration standards, and a limited set of other citizenship documents named in the statute [1][2][3]. Reporting and legal analyses vary on how broadly to read the bill’s list—some advocacy groups and local officials note the text will exclude many commonly accepted IDs (like non‑photo utility bills or many tribal or state IDs that lack specific markers) and may require birth certificates or passports for registration in many cases [4][5].

Dixie Belle's avatar

Boy, my brain was hijacked and going down the path of political destruction. I'll save that for another day.

We have got to stop letting our elected officials think for us and take back control of our government. It belongs to the people; the people who have been very poorly represented for too many years. That said, I do not believe that there should be any early voting or mail in ballots. Absentee ballots should be reserved only for those who work/serve outside the country at election time for legitimate, provable reasons. Those ballots should be sent out in time to be counted by the current legislated mandate. This must be legislated and the Save Act would do that. We must be actively contacting our elected representatives personally and often to let them know our thoughts on this matter and what will happen come election time if they are not voting to represent us, not self.

John Thune, Take Notice. RINO Republicans Take Notice. Represent the people or you will be going home.

Barbara Charis's avatar

It is very disturbing so many in positions of power are out to take down America. A number of the Supreme Court's decisions have harmed America greatly. America scholastically is not the same as it was 75 years, it was #1 in the world. Today, many Americans have lost their ability to think clearly and analyze information. I blame the processed food with its no-nutrients for the mind... and the proliferation of vaccines, which destroy the glands in the brain which contribute to critical thinking. i have studied information related to health for well over 60 years...and there has to be reasons why our country has declined so greatly mentally, physically and spiritually.

John Droz's avatar

Barbara: One main reason is that for 25± years our K-12 chilren have been taught the Opposite of Critical Thinking. This is showing up now by the number of peopple who vote for extremists.

Barbara Charis's avatar

Well, our educational system requires that all children must have vaccines in order to go to school...and the matter in vaccines damages the glands in the brain...lowers intelligence. In addition, the foods children eat contribute to hyperactivity...and children can't sit still and learn. Then the schools recommend taking the children to doctors for tranquilizers. I personally experienced this along the way.

Laura Downing's avatar

The Postmark topic grabs me every time it is discussed. Here is the simplest reason: The USPS does not post mark every piece of mail. Making any ruling that ASSUMES the USPS consistently postmarks mail is really bad.

In the old days, when one put a check in the mail to pay a bill or put a card in the mail for their grandchild’s birthday, that piece of mail went to the nearest post office and got a Postmark. The recipient would know exactly the date and location where it was put in the mail. The postmark meant possession had changed to the third party known as the US Postal Service. It also meant that when the recipient received that check and it was postmarked on or prior to the due date, they counted it as received current. This transfer to a third-party was a legal term in contracts and agreements. What happens to that legal term now that the USPS has decided not to postmark items consistently? What happens to ballots now that are legally-mandated to be counted based on the postmark when there is not one?

Today, mail may sit for many days in a distribution center prior to being post marked. It also means that when the payee company receives checks, they place no importance on the postmark date, even if there is one. Today, you have to anticipate exactly how long it will take the USPS to deliver your payment to whomever you owe, else you get to pay the late charges. You must anticipate the number of days it will take for the mail to go from your mailbox or local a post office to a distribution center of their choice, then how long it will sit there prior to being sorted and sent on to the next distribution center or its final destination. Utility and other companies require that your payment be RECEIVED in their office by the due date or you get to pay the late fee.

From USPS.com, “In the normal course of operations, the Postal Service does not postmark, or “cancel” every piece of mail in the system. The primary purpose of cancellation is to ensure that postage cannot be reused, and some categories of postage are precanceled before they enter the mailstream”.

Go through your mail the next time you get it. Most of the letters are not postmarked or marked in any way. How does the Post Office know that they “canceled” or used the postage affixed? They don’t. Postage for a letter of 1oz or less is now $.78! Cost increases have become so expected and commonplace, customers just shrug and accept them.

The Post Office has tools at its disposal to validate real people at real addresses. They have just chosen not to do so. Many factors go into the current management of the USPS, but all can be fixed. It is a business that should be run like any other, but it has a much higher calling. Getting mail sent to someone actually delivered to that someone is the divine calling of the postal service. It is based on trust. Just watch The Postman for perspective.

John Droz's avatar

Laura: Thank you for some good observations.

William Lynch's avatar

I believe this,

It satisfies my belief that “if I can think of a way in which dishonest people can change the status quo, then that, or something worse, is already occurring" ... Bill Lynch ... bandglynch@gmail.com

Laura Downing's avatar

"Senator Tillis explicitly said the SAVE Act was “dead” because there wasn’t time to change election law and implement it before November". He is in error and is misdirecting people's attention to the wrong data point. There is still time to change election law and implement it before November, but there was ABUNDANT time for that to happen if the Senate had acted on the Bill the first time the House sent it over to them THREE YEARS AGO! We are awash in lies, deceit and cowardice. I will go on record as stating we did not elect all of these fools and cowards. Our voting systems have been broken for decades. As the people who steal elections get better at it, the people who should be stopping them retreat even more. May God have mercy on us.

John Droz's avatar

Laura: Yes, Senator Tillis is hypocritical to be saying that there is not sufficient time — all the while his actions delay the time available. If there is not sufficient time, that will be subsequently litigated. If the R's lose the majority in 2026, when is he proposing that this essential material will make it into law?

Bryan McMinn's avatar

Once again, thank you for keeping track of and putting so many facts in the light Sir!

John Droz's avatar

TY for your support.