I’m glad I am not about to graduate from college with a liberal arts degree. The anxiety these kids must be experiencing after piling up debt or spending their parents’ money only to find that there are no jobs waiting for them.
I've seen a lot of these types of videos on youtube. It's usually for promoting a product using an image of a person but you know it's not them because the sound is not quite right.
In these generated videos that you posted, you could tell by the colours and then with the mouth movements not matching the words that it was not real. If this gets good enough to get past this, it will be difficult for folks to tell what's truth and what is not.
However, I watched something from a host recently who said that videos have been put out which show him but the topics and comments are not what he would have said or believes. I think that we will have to use our critical thinking when watching a video to determine whether it's real or not based on what we already know of that person. Does it line up with their previous statements and beliefs, etc?
John…I love your Grok videos. This is exactly why I’m enthusiastic about AI platforms becoming the pedagogy for K-12 academic education…as an important part of overall education. As you know I also agree that AI requires Critical Thinking more than ever.
Wow... it's magical, depending on the intentions because the understanding of reality becomes malleable. Turning a photograph into a video with sound & movement can be fun, but with deceptive intentions it could be evil.
A less complex, natural world is all the more appealing, as a totally "wired world" would also demand unfathomable amounts of electrical energy for the wired-up billions on the planet.
John ..... you recommended ALTER AI a while back ; I have used it often since and found its answers very thorough and ON THE MONEY when dealing with subjects that I am a student of.
Peter: TY for the feedback. Alter is very strong in assessing subjective matters (e.g., the best of something). This version of Grok is very different.
One giant leap for the creation of video deep fakes?
So how long before, when we depart this world, do we leave behind modern day audio animatronic versions of ourselves? Give the company making these a few photo albums, old home movies, modern videos and any video recordings made in advance expressly for this purpose and get back a life like talking and moving replica, still fully capable of attending holiday dinners, or in the case of future Bidenesque presidents, performing their job while the original "mold" is playing with crayons. Better still, tap into the NSA database of recordings of every electronic communication in which you ever engaged, replete with satellite captured identification of your gait, and you get the deluxe model. Or maybe the bad guys do and you're still alive! Buckle up as they say.
Scares me to death. Nothing we see online can ever be considered 100% real again. We must assume it's potentially contrived by AI. Yet the courts are admitting video as evidence in some trials. I expect this will be extremely short lived.
AI might be entertaining, I don't know. But the grim reality if AI is that like ANY technology, the early adopters will be those who use it for evil - mis/disinformation, blackmail, crime, etc. If I was to make the laws, I would hold the AI company and people who publish AI-based material jointly liable for any civil or criminal damages resulting from it's use.
AJR: IMO it is much like the invention of a gun. It can be good for getting food, and for protecting us from wild animals — or bad people. But in the wrong hands, it is very bad.
It's not a small detail as it makes it look like the fake that it is and AI have had this problem for years so it's not looking likely that it will be fixed in a few months
Well I do know that the claim that AI will think for itself is bullshit and it also won't make conventional medicine any better as that whole model is made to keep people sick and on medication.
Mike: At this point they are advertising that they are making up what's in your imagination — which is different from reality. The difficulty will be when there is no such notice...
Yes, an 'imagined' scenario becomes the basis of thought. (a lie) Your world becomes confused and frustrated. You have trouble finding truth within the falsehoods. 🤡🌍
I agree; the world is becoming more mentally draining, confusing, frustrating - I say, as I also look at a screen for hours... Natural & simple is best, but the genie is out of the bottle & we all have to adapt to the new robotic, electrical "reality" surrounding us.
I’m glad I am not about to graduate from college with a liberal arts degree. The anxiety these kids must be experiencing after piling up debt or spending their parents’ money only to find that there are no jobs waiting for them.
Steve: Yes that would be a concern. On the other hand if they had been trained to be Critical Thinkers, they would easiy adapt.
Cold-hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colours from our sight
Red is grey and yellow, white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion
-- The Moody Blues, 1967
And which, damnit, could well be an illusion
-- The Moody Blues, edit 2026
Jai: I'm a big fan of the Moody Blues, so TY fot the reference...
Dr. Droz,
Will AI get so good that we won't believe our lying eyes someday?
Paul
Paul: Yes.
I've seen a lot of these types of videos on youtube. It's usually for promoting a product using an image of a person but you know it's not them because the sound is not quite right.
In these generated videos that you posted, you could tell by the colours and then with the mouth movements not matching the words that it was not real. If this gets good enough to get past this, it will be difficult for folks to tell what's truth and what is not.
However, I watched something from a host recently who said that videos have been put out which show him but the topics and comments are not what he would have said or believes. I think that we will have to use our critical thinking when watching a video to determine whether it's real or not based on what we already know of that person. Does it line up with their previous statements and beliefs, etc?
John…I love your Grok videos. This is exactly why I’m enthusiastic about AI platforms becoming the pedagogy for K-12 academic education…as an important part of overall education. As you know I also agree that AI requires Critical Thinking more than ever.
Wow... it's magical, depending on the intentions because the understanding of reality becomes malleable. Turning a photograph into a video with sound & movement can be fun, but with deceptive intentions it could be evil.
A less complex, natural world is all the more appealing, as a totally "wired world" would also demand unfathomable amounts of electrical energy for the wired-up billions on the planet.
John ..... you recommended ALTER AI a while back ; I have used it often since and found its answers very thorough and ON THE MONEY when dealing with subjects that I am a student of.
Peter: TY for the feedback. Alter is very strong in assessing subjective matters (e.g., the best of something). This version of Grok is very different.
One small step for man.
One giant leap for the creation of video deep fakes?
So how long before, when we depart this world, do we leave behind modern day audio animatronic versions of ourselves? Give the company making these a few photo albums, old home movies, modern videos and any video recordings made in advance expressly for this purpose and get back a life like talking and moving replica, still fully capable of attending holiday dinners, or in the case of future Bidenesque presidents, performing their job while the original "mold" is playing with crayons. Better still, tap into the NSA database of recordings of every electronic communication in which you ever engaged, replete with satellite captured identification of your gait, and you get the deluxe model. Or maybe the bad guys do and you're still alive! Buckle up as they say.
Jai T: Good questions and the answers are anybody's guess.
Scares me to death. Nothing we see online can ever be considered 100% real again. We must assume it's potentially contrived by AI. Yet the courts are admitting video as evidence in some trials. I expect this will be extremely short lived.
Occasionally when marveling at AI's power when using it, I pause to ponder how different an I from the fly enjoying the nectar in a sundew plant.
NN: It is concerning based on its power...
AI might be entertaining, I don't know. But the grim reality if AI is that like ANY technology, the early adopters will be those who use it for evil - mis/disinformation, blackmail, crime, etc. If I was to make the laws, I would hold the AI company and people who publish AI-based material jointly liable for any civil or criminal damages resulting from it's use.
Mike: A noble thought, but 0% chance of happening.
Divergencde from reality used to be called insanity. Now it's called creativity. Progress happens. ;-)
Elaine is beautiful, as is your family (and friends!) and that stunning area in the Adirondacks…wow!
AI concerns me deeply…I’d like to return to about 100 yrs ago and live a simpler life…
Grateful God sits firmly on His throne…
Amy: Yes, if only we were God. Since that is not an option, we need to know how to play the hand we were dealt...
“especially nefarious ones.”
Which is where the danger will be generated by / from.
“He who controls the weather controls the world.”
Same idea applies here except, how can we put this “genie” back in the bottle once it’s unleashed?
Or can we?
Technology is great, I love technology. Humanity’s greatest threat will be “who controls the technology and the weather.”
AJR: IMO it is much like the invention of a gun. It can be good for getting food, and for protecting us from wild animals — or bad people. But in the wrong hands, it is very bad.
This is an amazing AI tool that can and will be used for good and bad purposes, and to bend reality for countless purposes.
Thanks John Droz for finding and presenting this AI editing development.
That is not new. Nature and people do creates things like this all the time,
Will we ever be sure again what is fact or fiction?
Dana: Indeed it will be more difficult to segregate fact from fiction. Again, this is where Critical Thinking is of extreme importance.
"AI Discerner" - perhaps a future growth occupation
The picture that used to be "worth a thousand words" maybe ain't worth so much now.
I can imagine turning a "mostly peaceful demonstration" into a neighborhood block party.
Ed: Yes we are moving a big step away from what is reality...
Well the womens mouths look very peculiar and don't match the words being said so it'll be some time before we move away from reality.
Anne: That is a small detail, and that ill likely be fixed in a few months.
It's not a small detail as it makes it look like the fake that it is and AI have had this problem for years so it's not looking likely that it will be fixed in a few months
Anne: I don't think you have been closely following AI development.
Well I do know that the claim that AI will think for itself is bullshit and it also won't make conventional medicine any better as that whole model is made to keep people sick and on medication.
If devices such as this can 'bend' reality. Then it then begs the question, 'What then is reality?'.
Mike: At this point they are advertising that they are making up what's in your imagination — which is different from reality. The difficulty will be when there is no such notice...
Yes, an 'imagined' scenario becomes the basis of thought. (a lie) Your world becomes confused and frustrated. You have trouble finding truth within the falsehoods. 🤡🌍
I agree; the world is becoming more mentally draining, confusing, frustrating - I say, as I also look at a screen for hours... Natural & simple is best, but the genie is out of the bottle & we all have to adapt to the new robotic, electrical "reality" surrounding us.
Critical Thinking is imperative!